Comments on: Winklehawk http://www.word-detective.com/2007/03/01/winklehawk/ Semper Ubi Sub Ubi Sun, 12 Feb 2012 00:19:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: pod46 http://www.word-detective.com/2007/03/01/winklehawk/comment-page-1/#comment-32 pod46 Tue, 03 Apr 2007 09:11:25 +0000 http://word-detective.com/wordpress/?p=41#comment-32 Residing in Holland at the moment and trying to learn Dutch I can tell you that winkel here just means shop. For example at lunchtime today I will go to the local winkelcentrum, or shopping mall. As Dutch takes a lot from the Germanic languages of northern Europe it could well share a root with the Swedish vinkel described above. Hoek in modern Dutch means a corner or angle, as in Hoek van Holland, a right angled headland just south of The Hague where the ferries from England dock. So we have two words that seem to mean corner or angle - the derivation of this word seems to be folding in on itself. If we're not careful this could turn into a linguistic Black Hole! Residing in Holland at the moment and trying to learn Dutch I can tell you that winkel here just means shop. For example at lunchtime today I will go to the local winkelcentrum, or shopping mall. As Dutch takes a lot from the Germanic languages of northern Europe it could well share a root with the Swedish vinkel described above.

Hoek in modern Dutch means a corner or angle, as in Hoek van Holland, a right angled headland just south of The Hague where the ferries from England dock.

So we have two words that seem to mean corner or angle – the derivation of this word seems to be folding in on itself. If we’re not careful this could turn into a linguistic Black Hole!

]]> By: videot76 http://www.word-detective.com/2007/03/01/winklehawk/comment-page-1/#comment-17 videot76 Fri, 09 Mar 2007 12:54:59 +0000 http://word-detective.com/wordpress/?p=41#comment-17 In Sweden, we have a very similar word for the aforementioned carpenter's tool - "vinkelhake". However, "vinkel" is our word for "angle", and as the tool is used for determining and marking 90-degree angles, the origin for that part of the word seems obvious. It's not unlikely that there may be a similar use in dutch, as the languages have quite a few similarities. A "hake" is, as you say, an older word for hook. As a hook doesn't necessarily has to be J-shaped (certain types of old-fashioned door securers comes to mind), the L-shape of the tool is quite fitting - so it's a likely origin for the name. In Sweden, we have a very similar word for the aforementioned carpenter’s tool – “vinkelhake”. However, “vinkel” is our word for “angle”, and as the tool is used for determining and marking 90-degree angles, the origin for that part of the word seems obvious. It’s not unlikely that there may be a similar use in dutch, as the languages have quite a few similarities. A “hake” is, as you say, an older word for hook. As a hook doesn’t necessarily has to be J-shaped (certain types of old-fashioned door securers comes to mind), the L-shape of the tool is quite fitting – so it’s a likely origin for the name.

]]> By: johnducmanis http://www.word-detective.com/2007/03/01/winklehawk/comment-page-1/#comment-11 johnducmanis Mon, 05 Mar 2007 17:30:30 +0000 http://word-detective.com/wordpress/?p=41#comment-11 Winkel the shop may well be derived from Winkel, German for 'corner' or 'nook'. This makes a simpler derivation for "Winkel-haak" -- maybe even makes the hook unnecessary. Whatever the -"hawk" part be, the corner shape of an L-shaped tear is quite sufficient to make it a "winkel-something" in the eyes of all the Dutch and Deutch immigrants. (Winkle van Rip???) Winkel the shop may well be derived from Winkel, German for ‘corner’ or ‘nook’. This makes a simpler derivation for “Winkel-haak” — maybe even makes the hook unnecessary. Whatever the -”hawk” part be, the corner shape of an L-shaped tear is quite sufficient to make it a “winkel-something” in the eyes of all the Dutch and Deutch immigrants. (Winkle van Rip???)

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